What would a workable immigration settlement require?

And you need leadership out of the White House, not just coming on this show of President Trump speaking pablum and never really following through, like he did on Dreamers, like he did on Green Card on Every Diploma. Legal immigration, getting the best and the brightest, going back to our China example, all these people that are leading China's life sciences came out of the United States trained, worked in our life sciences. We kicked them out like fools. Okay, so to me, pass the Dignity Act. Don't mess with it. And again, I want to be clear. It is not the bill I would write if I was sitting down at my keyboard. Does it accomplish the goal I set out? Is it a true compromise? Yes. Do we finally do what we have to do at the border? Correct. Does it finally do what we have to do to attract the best and the brightest? Yes. And that, to me, would stop the civil war.

We need a secure border. The border, we let in too many people under the Biden administration without having the proper security. I think the Democrats need to acknowledge that, own up to that, and say that we need to make sure that there are, there is a secure border. Now, I don't agree with Trump in the way he's shut down basically all asylum claims and he's just taken it to zero. And I don't agree with that approach. But do I think we need it to do things to secure the border? More I do. Now, the question is, okay, he's done that. I disagree with how he's secured it and in that he's basically made asylum impossible. But will he take some of that goodwill that he's earned in terms of the trust and do two things that I think can be bipartisan in terms of immigration reform? One is in industries like agriculture, food production, construction for people who are here, who are paying their taxes, who have been undocumented for a long time, give them a path to legalization. By the way, you want to see food prices come down. That would be one way to do that in terms of giving those folks a path to legalization. If they're here, no criminal record and paid their taxes. I've seen him sometimes suggest that.

If the primary motivation for the individual to come to the United States is to work to progress themselves, to become a maker, to create things, to work in such a way that they can generate income, save capital, buy things, advance their family's position because they are denied those rights due to the tyranny of the place that they're coming from, then they should be granted immigration status to come to this country and contribute.

Under no circumstances, and I've talked to many of my relatives who are cops and many of my friends, they look at what ICE is doing, and they see it as being unnecessarily brutal. All you have to do is go to where they're working and give the fines, and then round people up who are, in fact, criminals. No problem with any gang members or any felons to be taken down. And sometimes you have to do that with force, obviously, if they're criminals. But for everybody else, we can do this compassionately, and we can do it much more efficiently. We could do it by just paying people to self-deport, and we could increase that rate.

Federal law enforcement agents should not wear masks. They should identify themselves when asked. Ideally, they wear body cams like local law enforcement does. I like body cams. I actually like watching videos of police wearing body cams on YouTube and TikTok. I think it's a very important way to hold law enforcement accountable to their work. There may be reasons why federal law enforcement can't do that if they're undercover and whatnot, they shouldn't have to identify themselves. But I think those are important ground rules. I think that federal law enforcement should have warrant or probable cause. They should not be allowed to randomly ask people for papers. I don't agree with that. If that's what they're doing, and I'm not saying that that's what ICE agents are doing.

The correct path is number one, to protest peacefully. Number two, to go to the courts and file injunctions. And number three, to change the law, to go to your local voting booth, vote for someone and change the law. I think it's totally okay for protesters to not like the law. There's a million laws and regulations and other bullsh** that I fundamentally disagree with, but those don't give me the right to impose myself physically in the driveway with a car, blocking law enforcement from doing their job. If law enforcement was arresting a non-illegal immigrant murderer and someone did that, would people be up in arms? It's because people disagree with the law. And if you disagree with the law, you've got to change the law. And that's okay. Now, right now, it is the case that it is the law that if someone came here without going through the immigration process as defined by the law, then they are technically here illegally. That is the law. That's what it is. And so there is a course or a path or a point of view on how do you enforce that law. And that is what people are having disagreements over. And again, file injunctions. If you don't like the methods, change the law. If you don't like the law.

I've said on this podcast, like many times, but none of you will respond to it, why are they doing this instead of just finding the business owners? Wouldn't that be a better policy? And you're in the White House, you're around these people. Why don't you tell them, why don't we do that? Why don't we just give fines to business owners who hire illegals and stop the incentive to come here?

How do you know that they hired illegals? How would you know that? And if you know that, then you know the individuals.

Super simple. You would just go do a little investigation. You go to the car wash, you videotape it like any other detective or any other federal agent or a local police officer would. And then you track those people down, you very quietly go pick one or two of them up on the way home. You ask them for their papers, or you go to the owner and say, hey, we have these six people, here's their pictures. Here's the pictures of the six people. Show us their papers, show us their social security number. That's all you have to do, Friedberg.

Here's my proposal. Okay, Jay Cal, you may have a point there, Jay Cal. You may have a point, but I'm not sure that it's good enough in the case of an illegal alien who's already been in this country committing crimes. Okay? Yeah, I mean, we all agree on crimes. Hold on, if you have a drunk driver who has killed people through drunk driving and they're captured, I think it should be turned over and deported immediately.

It's super simple. You go to the construction site. Everybody checks in in their morning. They have a truck. This has been done for decades, gentlemen. They take pictures of everybody. Then they go in at the end of the day, after surveilling for weeks, Chamath, and they have done this already. This is all facts. They've had multiple cases where they go to the construction site. They take pictures. They take a video. Then they go to the business owner and say, show us these people's pay stubs. And the business owner goes, I don't have pay stubs for these people. And they say, okay, here's a video of them working for eight hours a day. Where's their pay stub? Show us their taxes. The businesses are paying people off the books. That is tax evasion.

Your suggestion is to do this for every company in America?

Which companies do you choose?